David and all, I find myself strangly agreeing with you here by in large Dave! >:) But only in the status quo situation overall... Seems to me that either ICANN itself is going to have to address this problem, or the RIR's will have to take the lead in cleaning up recycled IP's that have been black listed by any service whom for whatever reason has blacklisted those IP's. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 David Conrad wrote:
An "interesting" (in sort of the way the Ebola virus is "interesting") problem that is going to become much more common as we start reallocating previously allocated or otherwise flagged blocks. Leo Vegoda has done a couple of presentations on this.
Just imagine the fun folks who are going to get prefixes out of 1.0.0.0/8 are going to have.
Options I can think of:
1) Get everybody to transition to IPv6 (um, yeah). 2) Get all the folks who are running RBLs/DUNs to update their lists when address status changes (slightly more realistic than (1)). 3) Get everybody to use reputation services like http://www.karmasphere.com/, et al. (no, I'm not affiliated with them) 4) Get RPKI deployed to reduce the need for black list services (um, yeah.) 5) Get the folks who win the draw on prefixes to go around to every black list service themselves (as they discover them) and convince the operator of that list (somehow) to remove them (the default).
No good answers I'm aware of...
Regards, -drc
On 1/16/08 9:28 AM, "Max Tulyev" <president@ukraine.su> wrote:
Hello All,
I just got an assignment for my client (large PI block). But this block is listed in all DNS RBLs and DUN lists, as it was in use till Oct'07 as dynamic DHCP pool of other big ISP.
So my client says they can't use this network, because mail service is blocked.
RIPE rejected my request to change this network to another one: "As we do understand how unfortunate this is for **********, there is nothing we can do about prefixes that appear on so called black lists."
How can I solve this?