Hi, On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:44:11AM +0000, Remco Van Mook wrote:
In 2011-02, we have the case of "rough consensus with objections":
We have a number of people who spoke up in favour of the proposal, both during the discussion/review phases and during Last Call. A few persons had serious doubts about routing table growth and about PI in general, but still spoke in favour of the proposal, or abstained.
I fail to see how my comment from June 29th, quoted below, is part of your summary.
Quote: While I do sympathise with the rationale behind the proposal, doing it this way strikes me as having an awful lot of (unintended?) side effects. I personally don't have a better suggestion to achieve resolution of the problem that this proposal aims to fix, but at the same time I'm unconvinced that everybody's who's been supporting the proposal has been doing so for the problem this policy aims to fix, and not one of its (again, unintended?) side effects. End quote.
I took that as an abstention. You voice doubts on the proposal and some doubts about the motivation of other supporters, while stating some support for the rationale - but I can't read a clear "I support the proposal" or "I do not support the proposal" here.
If we're going to have a meta-discussion about whether consensus has been reached, I think we should be clear on what the proposal intends to fix first.
Now that would have been a nice statement in "Last Call" - where you didn't say anything, so we didn't see any opposition from you when trying to assess consensus. Now we're *past* the "Concluding Phase" from the PDP, and the only relevant question now is "has the PDP process been correctly followed, and (rough) consensus been achieved, or not". It's not unusual for people to voice somewhat-unspecific doubts about a proposal in one of the earlier phases of the PDP, but still go forward with the proposal, especially if they (as you added) have no better suggestions. Sometimes they clearly voice this (as Mikael did), sometimes we have to decide by "there is no sustained opposition in Last Call" that, well, there is no sustained opposition. But anyway - as I said: this has been a difficult one. If you think your concerns haven't been given enough weight, and we haven't achieved "rough consensus" as per the PDP, please say so. Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279