Hi Hans, I was talking in general, not just in this region. Also, they need be bound to the policies, which is not the case in all the regions. As said, those are separate problems, not the same in all the RIRs, but closely related and also related to the transfers as a possible way to avoid the “continuity” of all those differential situations. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 21/10/20 16:06, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Hank Nussbacher" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de hank@interall.co.il> escribió: On 21/10/2020 13:16, Jim Reid wrote: If you think legacy holders should pay something, I maybe agree with that in principle. [But definitely not signing a service agreement which forces a legacy holder to become an LIR.] And maybe that’s a discussion that could be had once there was some hard data. ... If you want legacy holders to pay, both the RIPE and NCC policy making machinery is open to you. Legacy holders already pay. See screenshot from my LIR bill for 2020. Been like that since our 2016 bill. Regards, Hank Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.