* Filiz Yilmaz
Scarcity (remember the switch from classful delegations to CIDR…) had been a (maybe perceived) issue in the past too. Basically we dealt with it by putting our trust on the RIRs that they would ensure that through policies which bared "justification of the need".
In other words, this was always the case, RIRs had been made the judge of this "fairness" through their community built policies.
Now the real problem here 2013-03 is suggesting to remove this judgement of fairness role from the RIPE NCC in the RIPE region, by removing the justification of need from the policy, without coming up with a real alternative, while obviously sense of fairness is still important to various members.
The relevant community built policy that defines "fairness" at this point in time is the "last /8 policy", with its strict "one /22 per applicant" rationing. This does not go away with 2013-03, so in pragmatical terms, the implementation of "fairness" would remain. The stated philosophical goal of fairness does go away with the current version of 2013-03 though, as Malcom identified. While I think this makes little *practical* difference as long as the "last /8 policy" remains, I concede that on a philosophical level it could be considered problematic to remove the explicit fairness objective from the policy. This is why I have suggested to roll a new version of the proposal that would leave the fairness goal intact. This way we can maintain both the philosophical objective of fairness and the actual implementation of it, without conflicting with 2013-03's main goals which is to remove the LIRs' bureaucratic overhead and to clean up old and out of date policy text. Would such an amendment make the proposal more appealing or at least acceptable to you? If not, what else is needed? As Gert mentioned earlier, changing the proposal text at this stage of the PDP isn't a trivial thing to do, but if it turns out to be unavoidable, I would at the very least want to avoid having to do it more than once. Best regards, Tore Anderson