Hi Jim, I agree that is not “unanimity”, but I don’t think there is consensus on this proposal, and even less I think is fair to extend the review period “because” a proposal has been brought in the last minute to another fora, when the chairs already declared “that we don’t have consensus”. See this message: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2017-November/0122... Is something that we should do for every policy proposal that don’t reach consensus? Is this meaning that we will always “extend” the PDP timeline *until* we reach consensus? Then, my reading is that EVERY policy proposal can always reach consensus, is just a matter of finding enough folks (or virtual voices) that register into the mailing list and support the proposal vs non-supporters. Not sure if you see my point? Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> Fecha: lunes, 15 de enero de 2018, 12:05 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> CC: <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: [address-policy-wg] what does consensus mean > On 15 Jan 2018, at 10:21, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > > > Obviously, I don’t agree, just because for me, “consensus” is having no objections Jordi, whatever definition of consensus someone chooses is up to them. That doesn't mean it's right or the one that everybody else has to adopt. [We decide the definition of consensus by consensus. :-)] Consensus does not mean there have to be no objections. That's unanimous consensus. There's a difference. An important difference. Maybe something is getting lost in translation? ie the Spanish for "consensus" means something similar to the definition you're using. There can be consensus in RIPE (and other fora such as IETF and ICANN) even when there are objections. RFC7282 goes into this in great detail. If we relied on unanimous consensus for decisions, nothing would ever get done because anyone would have a veto that could block progress. And in a very diverse community like RIPE, it'll be impossible for everyone to agree on everything. ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.