I would say the counter argument to this is that the cost of routing reduces over time, obviously not in line with say Moore's law but to look at the prices of a router that can handle a full ipv4 table compared to 5 years ago, the cost difference is drastically lower. Kind Regards, Find Vaioni's latest Terms and Conditions & SLA docs http://www.vaioni.com/tcaupsla.html. http://www.vaioni.com/http://www.cbawards.co.uk/Reader_Vote_3.cfm http://www.vaioni.com/ http://www.twitter.com/vaioni http://www.twitter.com/vaioni Matthew Hattersley Email: mailto:matthew.hattersley@vaioni.com Mobile: Address: 14 Leslie Hough Way Manchester Lancashire M6 6AJ Tel: 0870-160-0650 Ext 201 Fax: 0870-160-0651 Web: http://www.vaioni.com http://www.convergencesummit.co.uk/Exhibitor_List_North.cfm#Exhibitor_285The information transmitted in and with this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the Company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Please also note, Vaioni filter incoming email for spam and inappropriate words. Unfortunately this does mean that sometimes genuine messages can be filtered out. Although we take measures to recover such messages, it must not be assumed that an email has been received by us and important communications should always be followed up by a phone call, fax or printed copy. -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Immo 'FaUl' Wehrenberg Sent: 15 April 2011 15:22 To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] the cost of PI space Hallo Mikael, du schrobst:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011, Immo 'FaUl' Wehrenberg wrote:
I still don't see that. It is a cost to run the NCC, surely. And indeed this cost increases with the number of ressources in use. Without being into finances of Ripe NCC i'd assume that the anual 50 euros per ressource should cover the costs generated by the asignment. CMIIW! For me I don't care where the money goes. A DFZ routing slot is costing money, it's just not costing you money, it's costing "everybody" money, and the cost is that we need routers with bigger FIB sizes the more PIs there are. This has nothing to do with the cost of running RIPE NCC or any other RIR.
I am aware of that. Thats the reason oposed to the proposal originally introduced IMHO. However, how would increasing the cost in that case help? Would your saved ripe membership fees compensate that costs? Or would that minority of non-profit users that cannot afford higher PI prices and thus are not able to operate further make any difference? I think for most PI end-users, the cost of pi space is negligable even if it is as high or higher then xs lir fees compared to the costs generated by the provider (including setup and maintainence of the customer network part). I presume, most user would not even notice that costs, thus it would not lead to a significantly less amount of routes in the DFZ. On the other hand, it would make life more difficult for that few non-profit organizations. After all, i don't really see your point here. Immo --