On Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 2:55 AM, address-policy-wg-request@ripe.net wrote:
Send address-policy-wg mailing list submissions toTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visitor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' toYou can reach the person managing the list atWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of address-policy-wg digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers in the RIPE NCC ServiceRegion (Sebastian Wiesinger)2. Re: New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers in the RIPE NCC ServiceRegion (remco van mook)3. Re: New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers in the RIPE NCC ServiceRegion (Hannigan, Martin)4. Re: New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers in the RIPE NCC ServiceRegion (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 13:54:14 +0200From: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers inthe RIPE NCC Service RegionMessage-ID: <20150508115414.GA23553@danton.fire-world.de>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"* Dan L?dtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]:See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy andresources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for abit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is topush IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availabilityof IP addresses.Dan,if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market morefair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are stillpeople here who would like to try so that new players can enter amarket that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4it will still be around for some time.RegardsSebastian--GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE.-- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: signature.ascType: application/pgp-signatureSize: 616 bytesDesc: Digital signature------------------------------Message: 2Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 13:40:44 +0000From: remco van mook <remco.vanmook@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers inthe RIPE NCC Service RegionMessage-ID:<CAJ--xAX2V3-=scMoMR+UnaxGbbYpbEz43Q3FQbCGCEMm1S=oRQ@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list:"...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes,let's breakIPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or evengood engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a brokeninternet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 mightlead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know ittoday. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet isgoing to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so whyscrew it up for new entrants?..."Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money onIPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.Remco(no hats)On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org>wrote:* Dan L?dtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]:See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy andresources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for abit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is topush IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availabilityof IP addresses.Dan,if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market morefair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are stillpeople here who would like to try so that new players can enter amarket that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4it will still be around for some time.RegardsSebastian--GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THESCYTHE.-- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...------------------------------Message: 3Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 16:59:03 +0000From: "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>To: remco van mook <remco.vanmook@gmail.com>,Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers inthe RIPE NCC Service RegionMessage-ID: <3BDA1D6C-D32C-44B7-971F-A0A3DDE89DB0@akamai.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"+1Best,-M<On May 8, 2015, at 9:40 AM, remco van mook <remco.vanmook@gmail.com<mailto:remco.vanmook@gmail.com>> wrote:Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list:"...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..."Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.Remco(no hats)On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org<mailto:sebastian@karotte.org>> wrote:* Dan L?dtke <mail@danrl.de<mailto:mail@danrl.de>> [2015-05-08 11:33]:See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy andresources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for abit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is topush IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availabilityof IP addresses.Dan,if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market morefair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are stillpeople here who would like to try so that new players can enter amarket that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4it will still be around for some time.RegardsSebastian--GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE.-- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...------------------------------Message: 4Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 18:54:56 +0000From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>To: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org>,Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers inthe RIPE NCC Service RegionMessage-ID: <FB6D6705-891F-40D6-8814-25D0AEEE3E78@blacknight.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"If there was a magical wand that we could wave to make every ISP switch on IPv6 the problems with IPv4 pricing etc., would vanish.Unfortunately it doesn?t exist.Pushing IPv6 adoption is commendable, but we have to be realistic. IPv4 won?t vanish anytime soon.--Mr Michele NeylonBlacknight SolutionsHosting, Colocation & Domainshttp://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverageIntl. +353 (0) 59 9183072Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090Social: http://mneylon.socialRandom Stuff: http://www.michele.irish/-------------------------------Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,SleatyRoad,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845On 08/05/2015 12:54, "Sebastian Wiesinger" <sebastian@karotte.org> wrote:* Dan L?dtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]:See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy andresources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for abit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is topush IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availabilityof IP addresses.Dan,if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market morefair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are stillpeople here who would like to try so that new players can enter amarket that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4it will still be around for some time.RegardsSebastian--GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE.-- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth ElephantEnd of address-policy-wg Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8************************************************