El 11/04/2014 11:23, Tore Anderson escribió:
* Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca
Isnt unequal right now? Are you saying is equal LIRs with thousands and thousands of IP address when there are LIRs with only a /22? Is equal that the LIRs with thousands can make lot of money from LIRs with only a /22? Depends on how you look at it. It is unequal in the sense that everyone doesn't have an equal amount. It is on the other hand equal in the sense that everyone had an equal opportunity to apply for IP addresses at any given time. In any case, it is what it is. There is no point crying over spilt milk.
Its so hard to prove you need more IPs? That's not the problem with your proposal, the problem is to conjure up the IPv4 addresses required to fulfill the proven need of all the LIRs in the region, existing and future. The addresses simply do not exist, and no amount of policy proposals can change that.
Lets think the reserved pool grows enought. Lets say reserved pool gets arround a /10. There should be a policy that says: [...] When the reserved pool reachs the number of "N" millions of IP [...] a LIR that prove they need the space, will recieve a /X space
Thats could be a possibility, but again giving IP space to all the ones ask for it, in my honest opinion, will produce the same problem we have now. But isn't this exactly what you are proposing to do - let everyone ask for more IPv4 addresses according to whatever they need?
Im not saying to give more space to everyone. Please consider isnt the same LIRs with thousands and thousands of IP space and LIRs with only a /22 So are you saying that only LIRs that are holding a /22 (or less) will be allowed to request more space, under your proposed new policy?
In other words, an LIR that holds, say, a /21, will not be eligible to apply? Or one that held a /22, and then requested and received a /24 from your new pool, will this LIR that now holds a /22 + a /24 be able to request more, or not? Sorry, didnt mean that. Remember my english isnt really well, im doing my best to say what I want to say, but sometimes its hard. There should be a limit. Not all LIRs need space really.
Without the possibility, even in the future, of giving more IP space to little new LIRs you are dooming them. It's IPv4 that is doomed, and that goes equally for old LIRs as well as new LIRs. I'm sure the community would enthusiastically give more IPv4 space to little new LIRs if that space existed, but it doesn't, and so it is impossible to give it. There is simply no good option available to us: No its not equals. You have mooooooore game with 1 millions address than 1 thousand address.
1) If you open up for requests that are bounded upwards only by demonstrated need, then that pool will be gone pretty much instantaneously, even if you limit its eligibility to new LIRs only. Except for a few luck "lottery winners", nobody will benefit.
2) If you only change the upper limit slightly, say from a /22 to a /21, then you haven't solved anything; the LIRs will still be unable to get the amount of space they actually need.
It sucks to not have enough IPv4 space. I'm in that situation, myself. But there is unfortunately no way we can solve IPv4 depletion in this forum. In general terms, what I mean is. Lets give the chance not only to new LIRs but everyone to get more IP space, IF THEY REALLY PROVE the need. I didnt say anything about minimum or maximum allocation, and if I said something that mean that, sorry. I also said to change minimum allocation from /22 to something little, for not exhausting the reserved pool in "2 days" but seems to not be the right decision due to the routing table grow.
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