Exactly. I also think that current (disallowing) transfer practice for block /22 (and larger) - is an artificial problem. I think there is no problem to allow transfer PI->PA for blocks /22 (and larger) right now. And after that we can continue discussing about blocks less then /22. It seems that question about transfering blocks less then /22 is not easy, but there is no question for blocks /22 (and large). Delaying this for discussing question about blocks less then /22 - we making situation more and more hard each day. Agiotage around IPv4 is growing each day. So, let's make some cool down of situation - let's allow transfer /22 (and larger) right now and leave the question of less then /22 for discussion. It will improve situation right now and give us some time to discuss about blocks less then /22 -- Dmitriy Zemlyanoy. DeltaHost. http://deltahost.com ksyu@netassist.ua писал 2013-10-29 20:47:
Hi to everybody
I don't understand what is the problem to return the possibility to turn PI to PA? If it was somedays = that means that is possible. What troubles RIPE are expecting to see - if they are still oscillate with the solution?
IPv6 unfortunately is not using as It was expecting to be in use. Good if 5% of providers are using IPv6.
Now almost all are still using IPv4.
The principles in this policy generates a lot of troubles. Some people are starting to steal or use somebodies networks illegally. Don't close your eyes. You know how they can do this.
What should all other companies do if they can't get their own addresses? They will ask for rent. But the price now is too high. And will not go down if something will not changes.
As I see the solution to soften the migration from v4 to v6 - this solution is a flexible POLICY.
Let's return the possibility to transfer PI to PA and ease the life of a lot of small companies which need their own addresses.
What to do with PI space that is smaller than the minimum allocation size? I see excellent way - Make a minimum /22 and just wait for a little bit - when addresses will end finally. Than every block can be turned into the PA.
Best regards, Kseniya
21.10.2013 22:35, Carsten Schiefner пишет:
Gert,
you still seem to be a bit stressed out - no relaxing weekend?! ;-)
On 21.10.2013 20:40, Gert Doering wrote:
But I think we have found another volunteer for the minimum allocation size obstacle regarding IPv4 PA->PI conversion. Also related to IPv4 PI, but differently...
This should read "regarding IPv4 PI->PA conversion" - as it concerns converting "ASSINGED PI" IPv4 space of LIRs into "ALLOCATED PA" space for the respective LIR.
The (main) question here is: what to do with PI space that is smaller than the minimum allocation size.
Cheers,
-C.