Hi Aleksei,

This has nothing to do with cost or payment per IP.

The policy is about keeping an accurate registry and not about how someone received the IP space in the past.

The community doesn’t set cost / price for the NCC, that is discussed during the AGM.

PI is here in the RIPE region because for some reason people didn’t require the option to assign IP space to others, but only use the IP space for themselves (their infrastructure).

That is different than having PA space and being an LIR.

On top of that, some organisations aren’t allowed by legal reasons to become a member, but they still have the requirement to be provider independent.

Stating that LIR’s will be much worse off than owners of PI blocks is not true, because with the different status on the IP space, they have different rights / options.

The main goal of the policy is to get the ‘under the table’ trading solved and keeping the registry accurate.

The policy doesn’t change anything about what the cost is for PI (historic or future) and any discussion about cost/pricing should be done in member discussion / AGM.  

With this policy we will get the same transfer option for PI as we have for PA and that will allow us after this to go to a unified policy document just for transfers.

Please let me know if you have additional questions.

Regards,

Erik Bais

Author of 2014-02

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Hello all,

I don't support this proposal.

This is Pandora's box. 

To get 1024 IPs for now company can register LIR and pay to RIPE 2000 eur + 1600 eur annually. If same company will transfer PI, then they will pay to RIPE only 50 eur.

LIR's will be in much worse situation than owners of PI-networks.

We can apply proposal if we will increase payment for PI-networks after transfer. For example, 1000 eur annually for each PI resource. In this situation new LIRs and owners of PI-network will pay into RIPE NCC similar payments.

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Aleksei Ivanov
LeaderTelecom

On 28 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:

> Dear AP WG,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:58:51AM +0200, Marco Schmidt wrote:
>> The draft document for the proposal described in 2014-02,
>> "Allow IPv4 PI transfer" has been published. The impact analysis
>> that was conducted for this proposal has also been published.
>>
>>
>> You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at:
>>
>>    https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-02
>>
>> and the draft document at:
>>
>>    https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-02/draft
>
>
> We could use a bit more input on this proposal.  We have one clear
> statement of support, and one mail that puts up some questions while not
> taking a clear pro/con position - and that is not enough to declare
> anything except "needs more time" at the end of review phase.
>
> So, tell me your thoughts, please.
>
> thanks,
>
> Gert Doering,
>  APWG chair
>
>
> Gert Doering
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