On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:10 AM, Tore Anderson <tore@fud.no> wrote:
... 2) Assuming the previous point is handled, there is an additional concern that if 2014-05 passes, it will cause ARIN to declare that APNIC's policy is no longer compatible. It wasn't entirely clear to me if they though this would happen instantaneously (by ARIN-the-RIR, not the community), or if they were worried that the ARIN community would react by changing their policies to make them incompatible.
- The instantaneous alternative does strike me as somewhat far fetched, considering that ARIN has already deemed APNIC's policy to be «reciprocal, compatible, needs-based», and the fact that 2014-05 doesn't change a single word in neither ARIN's nor APNIC's policy documents. That said, obviously I can't know for certain if 2014-04 could possibly cause such an instantaneous change in how ARIN interprets APNIC's policy text. Maybe John could chime in?
Per <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-05>, section "Compatibility with other RIRs" -
... The following statement has been received from APNIC and ARIN:
“After consulting with both ARIN and APNIC, the two RIRs have confirmed how ARIN policy requires ‘needs based’, explicitly stated, policy principals to be in place to allow for inter-RIR resource transfers, and that APNIC’s has the same needs based principles explicitly stated in its policy document. RIPE policy document ripe-622 (paragraph 5.1, sub 3), addresses a needs base in an implicit manner. It is therefore not possible for the APNIC secretariat to interpret this and take a position. The APNIC secretariat indicates that it will consult their community in order to get guidance on how to proceed. ARIN staff notes that the lack of a specific needs-based requirement in the RIPE policy document will prevent the policy from being deemed compatible with ARIN's Inter-RIR transfer policy requirements to the RIPE region (although its adoption will have no effect on Inter-RIR transfers between ARIN and the APNIC region.)”
- The other alternative, where 2014-05's passing would prompt the ARIN community to change their policy document so that APNIC<->ARIN transfers are no longer possible, does seems more plausible, yet somewhat speculative as we have no idea whether the ARIN community cares about 2014-05 at all and if so what they think about it.
Indeterminate. The existence of RIPE 2014-05 was raised last week during the ARIN 34 meeting, and I noted the ARIN staff determination on this matter (that APNIC's inter-RIR transfer policy remains compatible with ARIN policy if RIPE 2014-05 is adopted by the RIPE community.) The ARIN community is aware that they would need to propose some change to ARIN's Inter-RIR transfer policy if another outcome is desired. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN p.s. The RIPE and APNIC RIR policy development staff should be thanked for their foresight in researching this topic in advance, and arranging for the very coherent "Compatibility with other RIRs" section in the RIPE 2014-05 Impact Analysis... thanks! :-)