On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
Hi Philip, all,
Hi Wilfried, Philip, all,
just let me state that I support the general idea and goal.
So do i.
Neverthless I have a couple of open issues before I could state my personal support for the proposal.
the very basic question would be: why would this policy be targetted at new LIRs, and towards additional allocations, instead of targetting *all* additioal assignments in the first place?
There are pockets of network around, where the customers (completely separate legal entities) do hold (and properly use) *much* more legacy address space from the past (but the LIR doesn't!), than the amount of PA space managed by the (related) LIR.
This would also address Larisa's concern, imho, regarding documentation?
I suppose yes, thank you.
Philip Smith wrote:
Hi Larisa, [...] What I'm proposing is that LIRs who hold pre-rir addresses simply document the utilisation of those addresses, and at what level. If your customer has received pre-RIR space from you,
How could that happen? I am obviously missing something here...
and they are announcing it all to you, then I'd say it is reasonable to assume that they are using it. If they are only announcing 50% of it, then it is reasonable to assume that only 50% is being used. The other 50% could be used by other customers of yours, or in your own infrastructure, etc.
Caution, can of worms! This is again assuming that everyone has to announce all of their resources to everywhere on the 'one and only' Internet. :-) Of course, the *assumption* is probably very resonable in many/most cases, but is not enough, in my opinion, to use it as a hard policy argument?
Policy proposal says about 'documentation' but not about 'use'. 'Use' and 'documentation' is not the same.
The policy proposal requests LIRs who have address space that is not used to indicate so when they apply for fresh space. In other words, request LIRs to use unused space first before applying for fresh space.
I think, again, this mixes LIR, ISP and customer, isn't it?
I'd add something. My LIR has several allocations really ancient, 1995 -1998. Which of them are "pre-rir", which are not, is not clear to me. I'm afraid that it is going to become clear only when additinal allocation will be required. What kind of documentation should I submit then?
Does this address your concerns?
philip --
Wilfried.
PS: Philip - is this intended as or going to be a Global Policy Proposal, eventually?
With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center -----