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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2012-02 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published(Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of IPv4 Address Space)
by sandrabrown＠ipv4marketgroup.com 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

>>I'm worried by the wooliness of phrases such as >>"The Originating LIR and the IPv4 address space transferred are in >>compliance with the Originating Policy" >>I really don't know what this means and I see a world of pain unless >>it's clarified. What does "in compliance with" actually mean in this >>context? Currently the only RIR's with similar transfer policies are ARIN and APNIC. As an example, if the LIR is in ARIN region, then the LIR must be in compliance with ARIN policy in order to transfer its IPv4 address space to a RIPE LIR. The ARIN based LIR would apply to ARIN and request to transfer. (That is how it works for ARIN to APNIC transfers today.) ARIN makes sure the LIR has registration of the space before making the transfer. Similarly, I would expect for a RIPE to ARIN or APNIC transfer RIPE needs to ensure that the RIPE LIR has correct registration of the IP space being transferred.

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DRAFT agenda for RIPE66
by Gert Doering 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

Hi APWG folks, RIPE meeting orga, below you can find a draft for the RIPE address policy WG meeting's agenda, which will take place in Dublin in the following two time slots: Wednesday, May 15, 09:00 - 10:30 Wednesday, May 15, 11:00 - 12:30 The exact time lines depend a bit on how much discussion is going on, so we might move items one time slot "up" or "down". As we're conflicting with both database and DNS, we might have to shift stuff around somewhat more than usual to accomodate conflicts of interest - so if there is something that should be in "the other slot", tell me. If you have anything else you want to see on the agenda, or of we need to change anything, please let us know. regards, Gert Doering, APWG chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, 09:00-10:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Administrative Matters (welcome, thanking the scribe, approving the minutes, etc.) B. Current Policy Topics - Emilio Madaio - global policy overview "what's going on?" - common policy topics in all regions (end of IPv4, transfers, ...) - overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE65 - brief overview over new proposals (if any) D. Feedback From NCC Registration Service - Andrea Cima F. Discussion of open policy proposals 2012-02 Policy for Inter-RIR transfers of IPv4 Address Space 2012-03 Intra-RIR transfer policy proposal 2012-04 (IPv4) PI assignments from the last /8 2013-02 Removal of requirement for certification of reallocated IPv4 addresses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, 11:00-12:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Discussion of open policy proposals (continued) 2013-03 No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup Y. Open Policy Hour "The Open Policy Hour (OPH) is a showcase for your policy ideas. If you have a policy proposal you'd like to debut, prior to formally submitting it, here is your opportunity." Z. AOB -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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RIPE NCC to Assign 16-bit ASNs Until ASN Pool is Replenished
by Andrew de la Haye 19 Mar '13

19 Mar '13

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has less than 100 32-bit Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs) available in its pool. Given current assignment rates, we expect that we will run out of 32-bit ASNs before May 2013. We will soon begin to assign 16-bit ASNs for all requests until our pool has been replenished by IANA. This will not result in any operational issues for requestors as 16-bit ASNs are compatible with equipment designed to run BGP. This situation was anticipated and covered during the RIPE NCC Registration Services update during the RIPE 65 Meeting. You can see the details in the "Feedback from RIPE NCC Registration Services" presentation available at: <https://ripe65.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/address-policy-wg/> -------------------------- Replenishing our ASN Pool -------------------------- The RIPE NCC requests additional ASNs from IANA based on "IANA Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks to RIRs: <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-480> Under this policy, we need to demonstrate 80% usage of "the previously received ASN block" (which includes both 16-bit and 32-bit ASNs we received from IANA on 3 March 2012) to replenish our ASN pool. We are expecting to reach this usage rate within six to eight months. The RIPE NCC will return to the usual procedure of assigning 32-bit AS numbers "by default" once our ASN pool is replenished. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Background on 32-bit ASN assignments in the RIPE NCC service region -------------------------------------------------------------------- The RIPE NCC assigns ASNs based on the "Autonomous System (AS) Number Assignment Policies and Procedures": <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-52>. In accordance with the RIPE Address Policy Working Group decision, announced at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2010-January/00497…>, the RIPE NCC assigns 32-bit ASNs by default unless a 16-bit ASN is specifically requested. As a result of this practice, 32-bit ASNs are currently supported by most vendors and routed globally. Of the 3,400 32-bit ASNs in the global routing table, 64% were assigned by the RIPE NCC within its service region (Europe, the Middle East and parts of Central Asia). Best regards, Andrew de la Haye Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC

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2012-02 Inter RIR IPv4 transfer policy
by philip.m.rushton＠bt.com 18 Mar '13

18 Mar '13

I can't quote right now due to limited mail support, but I want to state support for 2012-02, the inter RIR IPv4 transfer policy". Sent from handheld device Regards Phil Rushton Standards and Numbering Policy Strategy BT Technology Service & Operations, Office: + 44 (0) 1977 594807 Fax : +44 (0) 1908 862698 Email: philip.m.rushton(a)bt.com This email contains BT information, which may be privileged or confidential. It's meant only for the individual(s) or entity named above. If you're not the intended recipient, note that disclosing, copying, distributing or using this information is prohibited. If you've received this email in error, please let me know immediately on the email address above. Thank you. We monitor our email system, and may record your emails. British Telecommunications plc Registered office: 81 Newgate Street London EC1A 7AJ Registered in England no: 1800000

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2012-02 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of IPv4 Address Space)
by Andrew de la Haye 14 Mar '13

14 Mar '13

Dear colleagues, In order to clarify some points of the impact analysis and facilitate the current community discussion, we would like to highlight some details about the foreseen implementation activity related to the proposal 2012-02. With regards to the two points of the impact analyses that are being questioned: "C. Impact of Policy on RIPE NCC Operations/Services Registration Services: It is very relevant to note that the implementation of this policy proposal will require a significant effort of co-ordination between the RIPE NCC and the other RIRs. It is unclear at the moment how much time and resources will be needed to fully implement the proposal." If the proposal is accepted, it should be noted that the RIPE NCC service region will be the third region involved in inter-RIR transfers, after ARIN and APNIC. There already exists close coordination between the RS departments of all RIRs as an ongoing and ordinary activity, aimed at monitoring trends, issues and solutions related to the resource registration activities. This policy proposal would increase the importance and relevance of this existing coordination by broadening its scope to inter-RIR transfer resources as well. Therefore based on both ARIN's and APNIC's experience in this area the amount of effort may be somewhat reduced. Each inter-RIR transfer will consist of: - evaluation of RIPE Policy compliance - evaluation of official documentation - coordination with the other involved RIR staff - updating registry entries Therefore, the only additional step compared to intra-RIR transfers would be the coordination with the other RIR staff. With regards to the estimated volume of the potential inter-RIR transfers, it is difficult to make predictions, as the only data currently available is the number of transfers currently taking place, which is less than 20 intra-RIR transfers to date. Based on those numbers, we do not expect a major increase in effort. The anticipated number of inter-RIR transfers is unclear and some members of the RIPE community are suggesting that not all RIPE NCC members would directly benefit from this policy, as is the case with many RIPE Policies. However, it is worth emphasising that if no inter-RIR policy is in place there is a growing risk that some entities will choose to transfer number resources without informing the relevant RIRs or reflect these transfers in the relevant registries. This would dilute the accuracy of the collective RIR registries and have a direct impact on the entire RIPE NCC membership. Therefore, as both APNIC and ARIN already have this policy in place, the RIPE community should consider the consequences of not having an inter-RIR transfer policy in place. "D. Legal Impact of Policy If this policy proposal will be accepted, the RIPE NCC will need to create appropriate legal procedures and template agreements in order for all parties to understand and agree on the preconditions and the consequences of the transfer in accordance with the provisions of this policy." Our legal department indicated that any changes to the appropriate legal procedures and template agreements would fit into the normal work processes that occur after any RIPE Policy has been implemented. Regards, Andrew de la Haye Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2012-02 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of IPv4 Address Space)
by Mike Simkins 13 Mar '13

13 Mar '13

> At the moment I think there is a lot of detail that needs to be clarified here, including the terms Originating Policy / Destination Policy and 'Compatible Inter-RIR Policies' > > If I read this right, a transfer size will depend on the larger of the RIPE (currently /22) and the other RIRs (e.g. ARIN /20). How strict or 'fuzzy' is 'Compatible' ? > > When the allocation (or justification period moves out (from 3 months to 12 months, or 24 months - the policy number escapes me at this time), will we be using a fixed formula for time based justifications (what is a 24 Month period ? /19 ?, /18 ?, /16 ?) - Different LIRs can use (as in the past) different requirements / predictions for time period 'x'. Or is this to be judged on the previous allocations to an LIR over the preceding period 'x'. > > At the moment I lean towards 'Oppose', as some of the text seems too vague to me, and may cause some interesting interpretations. > > Although not strictly mentioned in this proposal, what (for example) happens to ERX space?. If a RIPE member acquires ERX space (lets say a /16), and then wants to perhaps offer that space to another member, does the classification stay as ERX (and the basic exemptions), or (on transfer) does it become regulated space (possible impact from 2012-07) and limited to a /22 (currently) that can only be transferred? > > > Mike.

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2012-10 Last Call for Comments (Extension of IPv6 /32 to /29 on a per-allocation vs per-LIR basis)
by Emilio Madaio 12 Mar '13

12 Mar '13

Dear Colleagues, The proposal described in 2012-10, "Extension of IPv6 /32 to /29 on a per-allocation vs per-LIR basis", is now in its Concluding Phase. The Address Policy Working Group co-Chairs have declared that consensus for the proposal has been reached and it will now move to Last Call. As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of these coming four weeks of Last Call is to give the community the opportunity to present well-justified objections in case anyone missed the previous two phases and want to oppose the proposal. Any objection must be made by 9 April 2013 and must be supported by an explanation. If no substantive objections are raised by the end of Last Call, the proposal will complete the PDP and will be evaluated by the co-Chairs of all RIPE Working Groups for consensus. You can find the full proposal at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-10 Please e-mail any final comments about this proposal to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 9 April 2013. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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2012-10 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Extension of IPv6 /32 to /29 on a per-allocation vs per-LIR basis)
by Emilio Madaio 12 Mar '13

12 Mar '13

Dear Colleagues, The draft document for the proposal described in 2012-10 has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-10 and the draft document at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-10/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 11 March 2013. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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Policy Proposal 2012-06 Revert "Run Out Fairly" implemented
by David Hilario 06 Mar '13

06 Mar '13

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, We are pleased to announce that RIPE Policy Proposal 2012-06, Revert "Run Out Fairly" , has been implemented. The RIPE NCC is now ready to accept requests for IPv4 assignments and IPv4 allocations under this policy. The full proposal can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/archived-policy-proposals/proposals/2012-… The updated "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy" document is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-582 IPv4 assignments request forms have been updated. You can access the request forms through the LIR Portal or online at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-583 The supporting notes are available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-584 If you have any questions, please contact<ncc(a)ripe.net>. Regards, David Hilario Registration Services RIPE NCC

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2012-02 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of IPv4 Address Space)
by sandrabrown＠ipv4marketgroup.com 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

In reposting 2012-02, I realized that this policy had awkwardly referred to "within the RIPE region" and based on comments received, I realized we needed to make it more global in nature. Hence I changed it to refer to "RIR's with compatible policies". Section 5.5 of the IPv4 policy had previously been meant for intra-RIR transfers only. So, in making this policy change, the goal is to tweak the intra-RIR transfer policy to allow a non-conflicting inter-RIR transfer policy to co-exist.

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