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Fwd: Re: 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by David Farmer 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

Sorry this should have went to the list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:21:31 -0500 From: David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> Reply-To: David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota To: Tore Anderson <tore(a)fud.no> CC: David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> On 9/20/13 07:27 , Tore Anderson wrote: > Hi Sylvain, ... >> Deregulation + commercial transfer make the ressources governed by sole >> market, which we do not agree with. We consider Ripe NCC should stay in >> its regulation role and not give public ressources away to the private >> sector and market. > > The transfer policy is in place already. If you oppose a commercial > transfer market, 2013-03 is the wrong policy proposal to attack, it is > really 2007-08 you should be going after. You are obfuscating and trivializing Sylvain's objection. He didn't say that he doesn't support the transfer market. He said he doesn't support your "deregulation" of the transfer market, which I interpret as removal of justification of need for transfers. And, yes the transfer market is a reality as of 2007-08, but this proposal does very much change the status quo, that is deregulating the transfer market by removing justification of need for transfers. > On your second point, I would like to stress that 2013-03 version 3 does > ensure that the NCC's distribution of IPv4 address space stays the same > as right now: If you want your last /22, you'll have to use it for > making assignments; and if you're an IXP and want something larger than > a /24, you'll have to demonstrate the operational need for it. > > Also, I think it is worth noting that "giving public resources away" is > and has always been one of the (perhaps "the") primary functions of the > NCC. This is true even when the recipient is a private sector LIR who > might at a later time choose to sell the resource on the IPv4 market. > This is how things are today. 2013-03 does not change it one way or the > other. > > If you want to prohibit private sector entities from being eligible from > receiving resources from the NCC, you are free to submit a proposal that > does just that. If you want to undo 2007-08 and thus retire the IPv4 > market, you are free to submit a proposal that does just that too. But > please leave those topics out of the 2013-03 thread. Again you are obfuscating and trivializing his objection. The RIPE NCC doesn't just "giving public resources away", the primary cost is the justification of those resources. Or, the cost of dealing with the "bureaucracy" that you want to eliminate, that is not free, which is why you want to eliminate it. Please stop obfuscating and trivializing people's objections, you either have sufficient support to ignore their objections or you should address them properly. Thank you. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Roger Jørgensen 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Marco Schmidt <mschmidt(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > Following the feedback received, the draft documents for the proposal > described in 2013-03 (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) > are edited and published. > supported -- Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE rogerj(a)gmail.com | - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no | roger(a)jorgensen.no

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Re: [address-policy-wg] address-policy-wg Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4
by Lu Heng 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

+1 On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM, <address-policy-wg-request(a)ripe.net>wrote: > Send address-policy-wg mailing list submissions to > address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > address-policy-wg-request(a)ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > address-policy-wg-owner(a)ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of address-policy-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published > (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) > (Daniel Stolpe) > 2. Re: 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published > (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) > (Bengt G?rd?n) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:43:20 +0200 (CEST) > From: Daniel Stolpe <stolpe(a)resilans.se> > Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact > Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and > Cleanup) > To: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> > Cc: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net, policy-announce(a)ripe.net > Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1309201043000.1105(a)server.resilans.se> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Randy Bush wrote: > > >> We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > >> to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. > > > > and once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more > > > > +1 > > +1 > > Cheers, > > Daniel Stolpe > > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > Daniel Stolpe Tel: 08 - 688 11 81 > stolpe(a)resilans.se > Resilans AB Fax: 08 - 55 00 21 63 > http://www.resilans.se/ > Box 13 054 > 556741-1193 > 103 02 Stockholm > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:03:09 +0200 > From: Bengt G?rd?n <bengan(a)resilans.se> > Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact > Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and > Cleanup) > To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net > Message-ID: <523C0F4D.7060305(a)resilans.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > 2013-09-19 21:57, Sascha Luck skrev: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 09:52:52AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > >> and once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more > > > > Damn, I wanted to write that ;p > > > > +1 also > > > > I'm favour of this proposal. > +1 > > /bengan > > > > > End of address-policy-wg Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 > ************************************************ > -- -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Mikael Abrahamsson 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Marco Schmidt wrote: > We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. I fully support this proposal (as stated before in the discussion some months back). -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike(a)swm.pp.se

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2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Marco Schmidt 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

Dear Colleagues, Following the feedback received, the draft documents for the proposal described in 2013-03 (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) are edited and published. The amendments are: - Retain "Fairness" goal - Retain "Need" for final /22 allocations - Clarify criteria for IXP assignment expansions The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2013-03 and the draft document at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2013-03/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. Regards, Marco Schmidt Policy Development Office RIPE NCC

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APWG agenda for RIPE 67 (Draft 1)
by Gert Doering 19 Sep '13

19 Sep '13

Hi APWG folks, RIPE meeting orga, below you can find a draft for the RIPE address policy WG meeting's agenda, which will take place in Athens in the following time slots: Wednesday, Oct 16, 09:00 - 10:30 Wednesday, Oct 16, 11:00 - 12:30 If you have anything else you want to see on the agenda, or if we need to change anything, please let us know. The distribution of items to the two timeslot is somewhat subject to the time spent on discussion - but we'll try to stick to what's published. regards, Gert Doering, APWG chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, 09:00-10:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Administrative Matters 5 min (welcome, thanking the scribe, approving the minutes, etc.) B. Current Policy Topics - Ingrid Wijte, NCC RS [15-20 min] - global policy overview "what's going on?" - common policy topics in all regions (end of IPv4, transfers, ...) - overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE66 * 2013-02 Removal of requirement for certification of reallocated IPv4 addresses -> consensus, and implemented - brief overview over new proposals (if any) D. Feedback From NCC Registration Service - Andrea Cima (NCC RS) [15-20 min] F. Discussion of open policy proposals [30-45 min] 2012-02 Policy for Inter-RIR transfers of IPv4 Address Space (update from the chair: where are we, what are the next steps) 2013-03 No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup 2013-05 No Restrictions on End User Assignments in Intra-RIR Transfers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, 11:00-12:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- F. Discussion of open policy proposals [30-45 min] 2013-06 PA/PI Unification IPv6 Address Space X. WG Chair Selection Procedure Define a process how the APWG (s)selects it's working group chair(s). (Tentative, if there is no time, this goes to the mailing list) Y. Open Policy Hour "The Open Policy Hour (OPH) is a showcase for your policy ideas. If you have a policy proposal you'd like to debut, prior to formally submitting it, here is your opportunity." Z. AOB

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New AS Number Block allocated to the RIPE NCC
by Ingrid Wijte 10 Sep '13

10 Sep '13

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC has received the following AS Number Block from the IANA in September 2013. 61952-62463 199680-200191 You may want to update your records accordingly. Best regards, Ingrid Wijte Registration Services Assistant Manager RIPE NCC

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Info from the Address Council, regarding AS# allocation by IANA
by Wilfried Woeber 08 Sep '13

08 Sep '13

Dear colleagues, for your information! A while ago the IANA submitted a question regarding the appropriate interpretation of the Global Policy on AS Number Allocation[1]; in particular, whether an allocation needs to be a contiguous block or may be a set of separate ranges, including a portion of the lower value range (legacy 16-bit range). After some discussion, the Address Council agreed (unanimously, in its meeting on June 5th, 2013[2]) on the following resolution: <quote> “The AC answers IANA’s question regarding the allocation of 1024 AS Numbers as follows: There is no requirement in the policy to form the block of 1024 AS Numbers from a contiguous set of numbers, thus allocating from 2 or more different value-ranges is acceptable.” </quote> Best regards, Wilfried [1] https://www.icann.org/en/resources/policy/global-addressing/global-policy-a… http://aso.icann.org/global-policies/ [2] for clerical reasons, the (draft) minutes for the June 5th meeting have only become available in late August, thus the delay in reporting back to the Working Group and community.

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enforcing abuse requests for counterfeit goods, child pornography, etc…
by Yoann Bohbot 29 Aug '13

29 Aug '13

Hi everyone, I have come across over a dozen "hosting" providers that host a slew of sites that are clearly selling illegal items. These "hosting" providers provide a contact address that is not checked, or at least not acted upon. I believe there should be policy enforcing your clients to respond to requests or they can have their ip addresses suspended. Using regular methods of law enforcement is almost useless, and they are not equipped with knowledge or equipment to handle these type of problems (counterfeit goods.) Domain resolutions take months and cost thousands. The only other option is you. Please consider.

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2013-05 New Policy Proposal (No Restrictions on End User Assignments in Intra-RIR Transfers)
by Emilio Madaio 22 Aug '13

22 Aug '13

Dear Colleagues, A proposed change to RIPE Policy Document ripe-592, "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region", is now available for discussion. You can find the full proposal at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2013-05/ We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to <address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net> before 19 August 2013. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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