September 2013 - address-policy-wg

Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Randy Bush 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

> We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. and once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more +1

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Ian Johannesen 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Hi all, > We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. +1 for this proposal Best regards, Ian Johannesen

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Re: [address-policy-wg] [policy-announce] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Sonderegger Olaf ABRAXAS INFORMATIK AG 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Hi all. +1. I support this proposal. Best regards, Olaf

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Re: [address-policy-wg] [policy-announce] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Richard Hartmann 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Dear all, I still support this proposal and have the slight hope that this will be the last time I will have to state this. Richard PS: For a unified diff between v2 and v3, see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2013-August/008155…

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2012-08
by James Blessing 22 Sep '13

22 Sep '13

Support (I seem to deleted the original thread) J -- James Blessing 07989 039 476

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Andy Davidson 22 Sep '13

22 Sep '13

Hi, Marco Schmidt wrote: > We encourage you to read the draft document text and send > any comments to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 > October 2013. Support. Andy

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Fwd: Re: 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by David Farmer 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

Sorry this should have went to the list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:21:31 -0500 From: David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> Reply-To: David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota To: Tore Anderson <tore(a)fud.no> CC: David Farmer <farmer(a)umn.edu> On 9/20/13 07:27 , Tore Anderson wrote: > Hi Sylvain, ... >> Deregulation + commercial transfer make the ressources governed by sole >> market, which we do not agree with. We consider Ripe NCC should stay in >> its regulation role and not give public ressources away to the private >> sector and market. > > The transfer policy is in place already. If you oppose a commercial > transfer market, 2013-03 is the wrong policy proposal to attack, it is > really 2007-08 you should be going after. You are obfuscating and trivializing Sylvain's objection. He didn't say that he doesn't support the transfer market. He said he doesn't support your "deregulation" of the transfer market, which I interpret as removal of justification of need for transfers. And, yes the transfer market is a reality as of 2007-08, but this proposal does very much change the status quo, that is deregulating the transfer market by removing justification of need for transfers. > On your second point, I would like to stress that 2013-03 version 3 does > ensure that the NCC's distribution of IPv4 address space stays the same > as right now: If you want your last /22, you'll have to use it for > making assignments; and if you're an IXP and want something larger than > a /24, you'll have to demonstrate the operational need for it. > > Also, I think it is worth noting that "giving public resources away" is > and has always been one of the (perhaps "the") primary functions of the > NCC. This is true even when the recipient is a private sector LIR who > might at a later time choose to sell the resource on the IPv4 market. > This is how things are today. 2013-03 does not change it one way or the > other. > > If you want to prohibit private sector entities from being eligible from > receiving resources from the NCC, you are free to submit a proposal that > does just that. If you want to undo 2007-08 and thus retire the IPv4 > market, you are free to submit a proposal that does just that too. But > please leave those topics out of the 2013-03 thread. Again you are obfuscating and trivializing his objection. The RIPE NCC doesn't just "giving public resources away", the primary cost is the justification of those resources. Or, the cost of dealing with the "bureaucracy" that you want to eliminate, that is not free, which is why you want to eliminate it. Please stop obfuscating and trivializing people's objections, you either have sufficient support to ignore their objections or you should address them properly. Thank you. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer(a)umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Roger Jørgensen 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Marco Schmidt <mschmidt(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > Following the feedback received, the draft documents for the proposal > described in 2013-03 (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) > are edited and published. > supported -- Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE rogerj(a)gmail.com | - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no | roger(a)jorgensen.no

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Re: [address-policy-wg] address-policy-wg Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4
by Lu Heng 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

+1 On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM, <address-policy-wg-request(a)ripe.net>wrote: > Send address-policy-wg mailing list submissions to > address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > address-policy-wg-request(a)ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > address-policy-wg-owner(a)ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of address-policy-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published > (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) > (Daniel Stolpe) > 2. Re: 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published > (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup) > (Bengt G?rd?n) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:43:20 +0200 (CEST) > From: Daniel Stolpe <stolpe(a)resilans.se> > Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact > Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and > Cleanup) > To: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> > Cc: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net, policy-announce(a)ripe.net > Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1309201043000.1105(a)server.resilans.se> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Randy Bush wrote: > > >> We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > >> to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. > > > > and once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more > > > > +1 > > +1 > > Cheers, > > Daniel Stolpe > > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > Daniel Stolpe Tel: 08 - 688 11 81 > stolpe(a)resilans.se > Resilans AB Fax: 08 - 55 00 21 63 > http://www.resilans.se/ > Box 13 054 > 556741-1193 > 103 02 Stockholm > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:03:09 +0200 > From: Bengt G?rd?n <bengan(a)resilans.se> > Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact > Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and > Cleanup) > To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net > Message-ID: <523C0F4D.7060305(a)resilans.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > 2013-09-19 21:57, Sascha Luck skrev: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 09:52:52AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > >> and once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more > > > > Damn, I wanted to write that ;p > > > > +1 also > > > > I'm favour of this proposal. > +1 > > /bengan > > > > > End of address-policy-wg Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4 > ************************************************ > -- -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup)
by Mikael Abrahamsson 20 Sep '13

20 Sep '13

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Marco Schmidt wrote: > We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 October 2013. I fully support this proposal (as stated before in the discussion some months back). -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike(a)swm.pp.se

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