August 2004 - address-policy-wg

IPv6 Policy Clarification - Initial allocation criteria "c)"
by Laura Cobley 19 Jul '05

19 Jul '05

Dear Colleagues, As explained in the email sent on Mon, 14 Jun 2004: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail-archives/address-policy-wg/2004/msg00240.html This is the second mail request for clarification of the IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy. Below is an excerpt from the IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy: 5.1.1. Initial allocation criteria "c)" "To qualify for an initial allocation of IPv6 address space, an organisation must [...] plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organisations to which it will assign /48s by advertising that connectivity through its single aggregated address allocation" LIRs who operate closed/private networks appear not to qualify because the address space in these networks will not be advertised. Was this the community's intention? Best Regards, Laura Cobley Registration Services RIPE NCC

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Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

>> My proposal would be that IANA would have to perform the subsequent >> allocation within this 30 day period, even if they might not be able to >> obtain advice or an expertise (for whatever reason) from any other party >> they might have decided to ask for advice. > >sure, if we can we do the same for rir to lir No problem with that, although I don't see the need for global coordination here. To me this sounds like a RIR-Customer service-contract aspect. Wilfried.

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Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: [address-policy-wg] Re: IANA to RIR ipv6 Allocation
by Iljitsch van Beijnum 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

On 24-aug-04, at 4:48, Jeff Williams wrote: > Iljitsch and all, ^^^^^ No kidding... > None of this addresses the outstanding problems with Ipv6 or ipv6 > allocation concerns and existing as well as discussed problems. > They are "at least" the following: I don't think I get what you're talking about. > 1. ) Invalid or incorrect minimal allocation. What is invalid or incorrect here? > 2.) Still existing cost increases for allocations. What cost? > 3.) Still existing security/privacy "holes" in ipv6 What holes? There is no difference with IPv4. > 4.) Routing notification for new allocation practice or method. What on Earth is a "routing notification"? > 5.) Routing table maintenance Best practices and/or policy, Well, there is some of this but since the RIRs seem to have trouble living up to their own policies this is problematic. (See http://www.bgpexpert.com/archive2003q4.php ) > and enforcement of same. Yes, we don't do this in the internet. (And go fix the IPv4 table first if you feel so inclined.) > 6.) Dealing with "Dark" existing and/or future allocated addresses. Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. Now if we could have a mechanism to determine resolving DNS servers automatically in IPv6 and have visible IPv6 addresses for the root DNS servers we'd be well on our way. And of course we still need multihoming in IPv4 and the IETF has to quit rewriting the RFCs all the time. > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I know what I wrote, so P L E A S E don't repeat it in its entirety!!! I'm really getting sick and tired of people who are too lazy to quote in a decent manner.

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Re: IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

I've got one comment here on section 7. paragraph 4. "Subsequent Allocation": While the wording might be sufficiently clear for a native speaker by referring to "set of administrative procedures....", I am missing clear guidance for the IANA that there should _not_ be any incentive or responsibilty to consult with other groups, entities or third parties (irrespective of their, say, credibility for e.g. protocol development or technical specifications) which would require extending that 30 day period. My proposal would be that IANA would have to perform the subsequent allocation within this 30 day period, even if they might not be able to obtain advice or an expertise (for whatever reason) from any other party they might have decided to ask for advice. Wilfried ( https://cert.aco.net/ ) _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...there's no place like 127.0.0.1 (or ::1/128 ?) From: David Kessens <david.kessens(a)nokia.com> To: Jeroen Massar <jeroen(a)unfix.org> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:48:52 -0700 CC: ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg(a)ripe.net] FW: [arin-council] IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation Jeroen, On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:25:59AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > For people not on the arin-council (not likely ;) or the ppml@arin > lists: All policy discussions for the RIPE region are now conducted at the RIPE policy working group maillist: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net David Kessens --- > -----Forwarded Message----- > From: "Sweeting, John" <John.Sweeting(a)teleglobe.com> > To: 'ppml(a)arin.net' <ppml(a)arin.net> > Subject: [ppml] FW: [arin-council] IANA to RIR IPv6 Allocation > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:36:56 -0400 > > I am submitting the following proposal IAW ARIN's Internet Resource Policy > Evaluation Process. In the interest of all I would like to disclose up front > that the information used to prepare this template was provided by ARIN > staff. > > > ############################################ > Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-1.0 > > 1. Policy Proposal Name: Allocation of IPv6 Address Space by the Internet > Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) Policy to Regional Internet Registries > > 2. Author > > a. name: John Sweeting > b. email: john.sweeting(a)teleglobe.com > c. telephone: 703-766-3042 > d. organization: ARIN Advisory Council > > 3. Proposal Version: 1 > > 4. Submission Date: 8/17/04 > > 5. Proposal type: new, global > > 6. Policy term: permanent > > 7. Policy statement: > > 1. Minimum Allocation Size. > > The minimum size of any allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to an RIR > is prefix length /12. If this address space is not sufficient to meet the > needs of an RIR for a projected 18 month period, IANA shall allocate to that > RIR the address space for which it can provide justification. > > 2. Reservation of Unicast Address space. > > 2.1 IANA. By RFC 3513 the IANA has been allocated the range of IPv6 > addresses beginning at binary value 001 (prefix length /3) for its > allocations of unicast address space. In order to support regional > aggregation of IPv6 address space IANA shall establish a reservation of a > prefix length of /6 from this space for each established RIR and for each > emerging RIR. Allocations to each RIR will be from the appropriate > reservation. > > 2.2. RIRs. Each RIR may apply its own respective chosen allocation and > reservation strategy in order to meet the needs of its community and to > ensure the efficiency and efficacy of its work. Such reservations made by > an RIR will be considered as being allocated by that RIR when that RIR > applies for an allocation of address space from the IANA. > > 3. Initial Allocation. > > 3.1. Upon implementation of this policy IANA shall allocate to each > established RIR a /12 from the reservation established for each particular > RIR. > > 3.2. Upon recognition of an RIR by ICANN that RIR shall receive a /12 from > the reservation set aside for that RIR. > > > 4. Subsequent Allocation. > > An RIR shall be eligible for an allocation of at least a minimal allocation > from the IANA when its current holdings are less than 50% of its 18 month > requirement or when it has less than 180 days of holdings available. The > IANA shall evaluate the requested allocation using a set of administrative > procedures that are mutually agreed to by the IANA and the NRO. This set of > procedures shall be enacted within 30 days of the implentation of this > policy. > > > 5. Announcement of IANA allocations to the RIRs > > When address space is allocated to a RIR, the IANA will send a detailed > announcement to the receiving RIR. The IANA will also make announcements to > all other RIRs, informing them of the recent allocation. > > The IANA will make appropriate modifications to the "Internet Protocol V6 > Address Space" page of the IANA website and may make announcements to only > its own global announcement lists. The IANA announcements will be limited > to which address ranges, the time of allocation and to which Registry they > have been allocated. > > > 8. Rationale: > > The current IANA allocation policy for IPv6 is an interim policy that was > promulgated in 1999. Operational experience has demonstrated the current > minimum allocation size is too small; that the built in reservation system > that must be followed by the RIRs does not allow for efficient and effective > management of the resource by the RIR; and does not provide for an well > known evaluation criteria. This document does not stipulate performance > requirements in the provision of services by IANA to an RIR in accordance > with the policy. Such requirements should be specified by appropriate > agreements between the NRO and ICANN. > > > 9. Timetable for implementation: Thirty days after ratification by the ICANN > Board of Directors in accordance with the global policy development process _______________________________________________

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Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: Policy for allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to RIRs
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

>Well, clearly ICANN and the U.S. watch the IANA because the IANA >an activity which the DOC subcontracts to ICANN to perform. Exactly. > The IANA is not an organization and it has no independent status. It >just happens to be the historical name for some of the functions of ICANN Exactly. >so for convenience and clarity, the name remains assigned to that set of >functions. For clarification read this contract that ICANN has signed with >the DOC on behalf of the U.S. Government. Indeed. And given the world, some governments, and ICANN as they are these days, I (personally) do not consider that structure to be the most stable and resilient setup that I'd rather have in place to control global resource distribution. Wilfried.

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New IPv6 Address Block Allocated to RIPE NCC
by leo vegoda 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC received the IPv6 address range 2001:4600::/23 from the IANA in August 2004. You may want to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly. More information on the IP space administered by the RIPE NCC can be found on our web site at: <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/smallest-alloc-sizes.html> Regards, -- leo vegoda Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC

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Re: Policy for allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to RIRs
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

>> So what are your proposals to improve the system, then? > >what's broken? the rirs watch the lirs. iana watches the rirs. >icann watches the iana. Looking at the situation from my end of the stick, this statement is a bit simplistic or at least incomplete. First of all, on one end there is a cummunity of customers which does watch the RIRs, too. And on the other end: who/what watches the IANA and ICANN? This is where I do see more single points of failure, and "procedures", "double-checks" and "delays" than I see the risks with the RIRs. This is not to be taken as a support statement for giving away everything at once (whatever it is :-) - but a geographically and culturally distributed system is in my opinion much more robust than a nationally or hierarchicvally controlled setup - and being constrained by just *one* particular jurisdiction. Wilfried.

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Policy for allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to RIRs
by leo vegoda 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Dear Colleagues, The Number Resource Organisation (NRO) has published a proposal for a policy for the allocation of IPv6 address space from the IANA to the RIRs. It is intended that this proposed policy should be agreed by all RIRs' open policy fora and then approved by the ASO and ICANN as a global policy. The proposal is available on our web site at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/ipv6.html Comment on the proposal is sought. Kind regards, -- leo vegoda Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC

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Re: [address-policy-wg] Policy for allocation of IPv6 address space from IANA to RIRs
by Doug Barton 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

> On Monday 09 August 2004 18:42, Randy Bush wrote: >> leo, >> >> can you explain why the rirs need a time window from the iana >> (36 months) so much larger than lirs need from the rirs? >> >> randy > > Randy, > I read it that IANA don't see RIR's needing more than a /12 in a 36 month > period - thus a /12 would at least meet the RIR's needs for the next 36 > months. > > Seems like a much better idea than faffing about handing out a /23 every few > months. > > Jon Jon, Just to be clear, the policy as proposed is coming to you direct from the NRO, IANA has had no direct input in it's creation. I first saw this draft document myself on the APNIC sig-policy list on 4 August. http://www.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2004/08/msg00003.html That said, we're very happy that the NRO has offered this submission as a starting place for the public dialog, and we look forward to seeing how the process plays out. While it's certainly not IANA's job to _set_ policy, we are happy to offer the benefit of our experience to anyone who asks. :) Doug -- Doug Barton General Manager, The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority

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Re: NCC#2004080845 IPV6 Addresses pool
by RIPE NCC 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Dear Gil, The following link will give you a list of all LIRs who received an IPv6 allocation from RIPE NCC. However, it is not ordered per country. http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs6.html Kind regards, Monique van Troost First Line Support Operator RIPE NCC On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:46:37 +0200, Gil Yaacoby wrote: > Hi , > > My name is Gil Yaacoby. I am responsible for the evaluation of > new Datacom technologies in Cellcom Israel Ltd. IPv6 is one of our > current projects.I need to find out the formal procedure to purchase an > IPv6 address > pool > > we need IPV6 Addresses pool for our cellular costumers. > I think that at this point of time Cellcom Israel Ltd can't show > bussiness case for being a LIR . > > I think getting small amount like /48 from some ISP will be good enough. > Do you know about any ISP's who can provide Cellcom IPV6 adresses pool > (In ISRAEL or outside the country)? > > Many thanks, > > Gil Yaacoby > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message may contain confidential, commercial and privileged information or data that constitute proprietary information of Cellcom Israel Ltd. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use of this information or data by any other person is absolutely prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies. > > Thank You. > http://www.cellcom.co.il --

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