Mail Subscription and TF membership - To comment until 31 January
Dear all, In our last meeting we touched upon on how the mailing should be set up but we left this for further discussion on the mailing list. Questions are: A. Should this mailing list be open to subscription of others who are not TF members? B. Should this mailing list be receiving posts from those who are not TF members? C. Should the archive of this mailing list be publicly published? Athina/Antony if there are other questions to be answered to be able to decide on the final setup of the mailing list pls chime in. There is also another topic about the TF membership invitation which we also left to further discussion: D. Do we want to keep accepting new members to the TF as they show interest? E. If we want to have a cut-off date for accepting new members what date should that be? I would like to set a deadline to this discussion so we can reach a conclusion and move a head accordingly. Please respond until 31 January. Kind regards Filiz
Hello Filiz, all, Please find inline some comments from our side: On 23/01/17 20:01, Filiz Yilmaz wrote:
Dear all,
In our last meeting we touched upon on how the mailing should be set up but we left this for further discussion on the mailing list.
Questions are:
A. Should this mailing list be open to subscription of others who are not TF members?
Please note that we have already received two requests for subscriptions to the mailing list. The requesters were informed that their requests are being held until the Task Force has concluded its discussion.
B. Should this mailing list be receiving posts from those who are not TF members?
Please note that as posts from non-members (who are not subscribed to the mailing list) will always need approval from the mailing list moderator (RIPE NCC), emails outside working hours may take some time to be approved. Alternatively, we could create an email address for the co-chairs and direct feedback from non-members to this address. This way non-members will not expect their emails to be posted on the mailing list. Thank you, Athina/Antony
C. Should the archive of this mailing list be publicly published?
Athina/Antony if there are other questions to be answered to be able to decide on the final setup of the mailing list pls chime in.
There is also another topic about the TF membership invitation which we also left to further discussion:
D. Do we want to keep accepting new members to the TF as they show interest? E. If we want to have a cut-off date for accepting new members what date should that be?
I would like to set a deadline to this discussion so we can reach a conclusion and move a head accordingly. Please respond until 31 January.
Kind regards Filiz
On 23/01/2017 19:01, Filiz Yilmaz wrote:
Dear all,
In our last meeting we touched upon on how the mailing should be set up but we left this for further discussion on the mailing list.
My view is as follows:
Questions are:
A. Should this mailing list be open to subscription of others who are not TF members?
Yes
B. Should this mailing list be receiving posts from those who are not TF members?
I don't understand how that differs from (A). If it is that (A) is meant to mean subscription in read-only mode, then my answer is still Yes to both. However if the group thought it was better to say "Yes to (D), but choosing to join the TF is the symbolic step of commitment you must make to get posting rights on this list", I would be happy with that too.
C. Should the archive of this mailing list be publicly published?
Yes, absolutely.
D. Do we want to keep accepting new members to the TF as they show interest?
I would say, yes.
E. If we want to have a cut-off date for accepting new members what date should that be?
None. Kind Regards, Malcolm.
I would like to set a deadline to this discussion so we can reach a conclusion and move a head accordingly. Please respond until 31 January.
Kind regards Filiz
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Hi all, Please find below my attempt to answer the questions.
On 23 Jan 2017, at 20:01, Filiz Yilmaz <koalafil@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
In our last meeting we touched upon on how the mailing should be set up but we left this for further discussion on the mailing list.
Questions are:
A. Should this mailing list be open to subscription of others who are not TF members? B. Should this mailing list be receiving posts from those who are not TF members?
Well most of you who know me, know that I am a strong proponent of openness. And I also think the TF should be as open and transparent as possible. However, I am not quite sure if I see the purpose of having a mailing list that receives posts from people who are not on the list. If you have opinions and thoughts, why would you post but not actually participate in the task force? In my view, if you post to the list, you have joined the conversation and should probably be on the taskforce. I don’t have any problems at all with people listening in to the list by subscribing and not posting, but I would also find this a little confusing and not really inline with how this community normally interacts.
C. Should the archive of this mailing list be publicly published?
Yes definitely.
Athina/Antony if there are other questions to be answered to be able to decide on the final setup of the mailing list pls chime in.
There is also another topic about the TF membership invitation which we also left to further discussion:
D. Do we want to keep accepting new members to the TF as they show interest? E. If we want to have a cut-off date for accepting new members what date should that be?
I think it is reasonable to have a cut-off date, simply because the TF will have a work plan and deadlines, which makes it somewhat hard for someone to join the TF after a few months and contribute constructively. I also think we have advertised it widely enough by now, and that people have had the chance to join if they were interested. In my view, a TF is fundamentally different to a working group. In a WG, anyone can join at any time and contribute or oppose what’s being discussed, or even re-open old discussions. A TF has a set timeframe and a clear objective to produce a set of recommendations back to the community. “The outcome of a task force is a report with recommendations. The recommendations will be discussed by the RIPE community, and implemented when consensus is reached." As long as the TF does its work and reports back to the community in a transparent and open way, I believe the community will have enough opportunity to discuss, comment on, object to anything the TF recommends, before any action is taken. Kind regards, Nurani
I would like to set a deadline to this discussion so we can reach a conclusion and move a head accordingly. Please respond until 31 January.
Kind regards Filiz
Dear all, On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 08:01:12PM +0100, Filiz Yilmaz wrote:
Questions are:
obviously this is partly OBE given the "leaked" invitations.
A. Should this mailing list be open to subscription of others who are not TF members? B. Should this mailing list be receiving posts from those who are not TF members? C. Should the archive of this mailing list be publicly published?
Yes to "C". I'm not sure about "A" and reluctant regarding "B". What's the difference between "A" and "C"? Just the real time effect and the expectation towards "B". With regard to "B", I'd think that "observers" can be dealt with, but what is the difference between an "active observer" (as determined by posting to the list) and a "TF member"?
D. Do we want to keep accepting new members to the TF as they show interest? E. If we want to have a cut-off date for accepting new members what date should that be?
Openness is great, but the downside of large numbers of participants (of varying status) is decreasing individual responsibility and increasing logistics challenges. We might not have crossed the line, yet, so I'd not strictly say "no" to "D", but we need "E" and a size limit. Thanks, Peter
participants (5)
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Athina Fragkouli
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Filiz Yilmaz
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Malcolm Hutty
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Nurani Nimpuno
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Peter Koch